There is a 15 year old having a baby on the road MOI lives. This is the second one. She lives in a house with as many as 15 others.

What sort of life can the new addition have there?

Children having children, but then it is her body and she can do as she pleases, and why not, society will foot the bill.

The comments by the "baby mamas" speak for themselves. I am so happy that my own two daughters (now grown and on their own) were also SMARTER than that! My oldest daughter once told me that some of the girls she attended high school could not be trusted with a parakeet, cat or dog to care for, and she was amazed that they could possibly think they were ready for a baby.

Wake up girls! Babies aren't Barbie dolls. There is more to raising children than pampers and formula. But then again, if you don't know anything in the first place (read the "baby mama" posts) how can you be expected to teach a child anything?

Many argue that the media and/or entertainment industry are to blame for such issues. I disagree. I've been in both industries for a lot of years and they only reflect society's issues, they don't create them. Now I will agree that when a film like Juno comes out about a problem that is decades old, it can be seen as glorifying or even trivializing this issue. But I didn't think Juno acted irresponsibly at all...well at least AFTER she got pregnant.

I have three daughters (God help me) and since I can't keep them locked up until they are 30, I'll have to make sure they make good decisions. And that's not always easy.

As for those quotes you put up...scary...very scary. What the third girl lacks in education, she seems to make up with determination and pride. Good for her and good luck.

Raising children is a challenge but really nothing that love and open communication can't solve. If they are raised in church and taught to respect theirselves then they might make better decisions. Some young girls get pregnant just to keep the boy but that rarely works. They are looking for love and attention that they are not getting in the home.

The baby mama phenomenon exemplifies the loss of social order our country is headed for, and the destruction of healthy family life. The Godless, liberals have been chipping away at the moral fabric of our society for the past 50 years. One by one they are pushing us, and in some cases forcing us (judges allowing gay marriage) to abandon our nation's most cherished values and institutions. This can only lead to the weakening of our nation, and our quality of life.

Turn to the Christian Holy Bible to learn the values, and life lessions that can restore the social order of our great nation.

"Godless liberals"? I've seen more teenage mothers in church than anywhere else.

Mike D.
I thought you considered the term 'baby mama' racist? Why aren't you ranting about that?

Red, it strikes me that if people like you had their way, blacks would still be riding in the back of the bus and drinking out of different water fountains. Women would not have the right to vote and so on.

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the mothers of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, recently in the news, having babies at 14, 15? Maybe in some cases younger? And that's approved by their church according to them. I'm sure they consider themselves to be very religious. And in keeping with God's teachings, they aren't nearly as hateful as you are.

Now I'm not advocating young teenage pregnancy, my views are quite the contrary. But your hateful, insulting diatribe fires me up, and I personally think you secretly like it that way, which also tells me something about you.

Redpeach, what is racist is to call a grown-up, married mother of two children a "baby-mama" simply because she's African American.

But I truly don't expect you to comprehend the distinction.

Redpeach is right again. Let’s get back to good old fashion “Fresno Christian Values” such as supporting the war in Iraq, the torture of prisoners and not allowing gays to have rights. While we’re at it, let’s turn to the Bible for important information such as when to stone sinners and how to take slaves. Don’t worry about that whiney Golden Rule. There is always another verse to justify ignoring it.

Damn those “Godless Liberals” trying to clean the environment, pushing universal healthcare down our throats and attempting to stop a war. Where do they get these sick ideas?

Without any justification, I am accused of all sorts of ungodly behaviors.

It is amazing when one brings up the Word of God, the venom really comes out. It goes with the territory when dealing with those living in rebellion to God. I know, I used to be one of you.

I wish those who are being critical of my faith would take the time to learn our nations history, and founding--Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, The Federalist Papers, the lives of our founding fathers etc. If you did, you would be enlighteded to the fact that this great nation is founded on Christian principles. The philosophy of the day of our founding fathers was based on Christianity. And the rest is history--we became the most prosperous, free, secure, and generous country in the history of the planet. Be forewarned, you might even grow some patriotic horns in the process, or become a Christian. Worse things could certainly happen.

Christ has the answers, and they are found in the Word of God.

Ya know, if a Christ-like attitude was evident in one's posts, one wouldn't need to proclaim one's Christianity or thump the Bible so loudly.

Just a thought...

Redpeach,

No one is being critical of your faith; they’re being critical of you and the manner you "use" your faith. You’re one of the many to confuse Christians with Christianity.

"Mother! You re obsessed with virginity" My daughter screamed at me.

I am glad that this blog shall go off the screen soon. We know that nature
and mores are in conflict

It's not a simple matter of looking for love,lacking
in the home. Religion in our home was according to Matthew 6:6 and offering
the Bible "instead" was not an option I would have considered.

My teen daughter had an extremely high IQ and she was a very beautiful girl.
For the mother not an easy combination to deal with. I stuck it out, but the
price was high. Every day I heard how much she hated me, the frigid unnatural
woman, the kill joy; the entire nomenclature of hateful mothers.

We got through it. But I think that deep down some residue of this resentment remained till today. When we have one of those do you remember talks, she remembers less of the fun times, the good times, than she remembers the times I spoiled her fun, crossed her plans and so forth.

Wayne
Using my faith? Are you saying it is wrong to discuss my values and convictions, which I draw from the Holy Bible. Would it be OK to discuss convictions that were not biblical?

I read over my posts above, and I do not see any post that should invoke such hostile accusations and comments, as have been hurled at me here.

Why is talking about the source of the founding principles of our nation a problem?

And are you not aware that single-parent homes put children at a much higher risk of all sorts of negatives, like substance abuse, domestic violence, poverty, poor preformance in school and career, encarceration, STD's, foster more children out of wedlock, etc.

In truth, it is cruel to not speak out on behalf of children who are being victimized by this lifestyle.

Perhaps some of you have not lived long enough to understand the negative impact that moral decline, and permissiveness has had on our country in the past 50 years. I have--and I would like to see a return to the more civil, law-abiding, commonsence, god-fearing, patriotic, and self-reliant society of yester-year.

Life hear on earth was and will never be a perfect bed of roses. But I know first hand, the quality of American life is on the decline, not because we are destroying the environment, but we have lost our way as a society, turning away from the values and institutions passed down through every generation since the inception of America--values and institutions derived from the Christian faith.

Why do you find consideration of these issues to be offensive, or objectionable?

It was just over 50 years ago that 14 year-old Emmett Till was brutally murdered for the "crime" of allegedly whistling at a white woman. African Americans had to sit at the back of the bus, and were banned altogether from many establishments and organizations. And forget about rights for women, Latinos, gays or many others.

Maybe life was better back then - if you were white, male and belonged to an acceptable Christian denomination. But it sure wasn't better for everyone else.

Redpeach,

First off, you’re being overly dramatic. You’re upset over the “venom” and “hostility” yet you’re the one who starts with the hostile and moronic “Godless Liberal” line. For the record, most liberals I know are Christians. You wrap your personal beliefs in the cloak of patriotism and Christianity yet many Christians and county-loving Americans would strongly disagree with your “Christian” and “patriotic” views. Your support of Bush’s war and yester-year (Jim Crow anyone?) is the opposite of the Christianity many practice. Some Christians actually try to live by the Golden Rule, to not judge, to be humble and to care for God’s gift of our earth.

Spare me the false “I am being persecuted for being a Christian” routine.

Mike D.
Anyone can site a horrible event, in almost any era. Look at today's newspaper, for that matter, any days newspaper.

I absolutely rebuke all the events you site above. But I also refute the suggestion that God-fearing, praciticing Christians committed these crimes. There are good and bad men of every race.

I believe racism is 100% a sin against God's laws, no matter if it is perpetrated against a man of color, or a white.

Obviously, African-Americans have been treated poorly in the past. Personally, I have not perpetrated any such offense, and I can say the same for the vast majority of Americans. You should be celebrating this fact, instead of grinding wrongs of the past, in the faces of those who did not perpetrate them. Carrying a chip on your shoulder gets you nowhere.

Forgiveness works both ways.

Wayne

Hordes of Americans, including you, forget that Bush did not start this war alone. Congress overwelmingly voted to go to war in Iraq. And the majority of Americans agreed with this decision, at the time. It is a cop-out to fall on the, it's all Bush's doing, it's all Bush's fault montra, because Americans are now unhappy with the Iraq War.

And like Mike D., you connect Christianity with Jim Crow? Come on, that is just blatanlty manipulating the facts. I have never known a Jim Crow fan, not 50 years ago, and not today.

Your statement: "You wrap your personal beliefs in the cloak of patriotism and Christianity (another over-used cliche, with little or no relevancy. It doesn't even make sense) . . . "yet many Christians and county-loving Americans would strongly disagree with your “Christian” and “patriotic” views" (this is still a free country where people are allowed to voice dissenting opinions).

I urge you to again read my posts above, and point out anything Jim Crow, or racist, or radical. You will not find it.

Why do you loathe examining the history of your country, in relation to Christianity? That is what I bring to attention in this thread...that is all.

And, by the way, the voice and political power of Godless liberals is undeniably on the rise in this country. Ex. aethiest, Marxists, evolutionists, those who worship the environment (creation), rather than the creator, etc. Why is it over-dramatic to point this out?

There is a frightening phenomenon occurring in our country. Liberals, who proclaim to be the open-minded ones, are doing everthing possible to shut out, shut-up any opposing viewpoints.

Redpeach, maybe you should be celebrating the progress we've made, instead of grinding all the wrongs of the present. Every period of time is a mixed bag, but I wouldn't want to go back 50 years for anything.

And I have no idea why you seem to think I was trying to lay a guilt trip on you. I was just pointing out that the "good ol' days" weren't as good as we sometimes like to think.

In solidarity with post signed "Wayne".

This post contributes nothing to the problem of children having children. It seems that all the socio/cultural and legal efforts for allowing girls to be carefree as long as possible have been overtaken by "doing what comes naturally" which is being re-enforced by commercial interests in the pursuit for profit.

And "Redpeach" take note:
"...though shalt no be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men..." Matthew 6:5; 6:6

Some of us godless liberals have Bibles, but we don't sermonize in secular blogs. Usually!

Red, i have a friend that bought a new BMW. The first week he owned it he got pulled over by cops 34 times, no citations mind you, he was just another victim of "driving while black". This racism plays out every day in every state in our union. I tell you this so can understand that racism isn't a historical event, but a daily struggle for millions of decendants of slaves brought to this continent by "christians." There is no such thing as racism against whites, that's a misnomer.

It seems like we're getting awfully far away from the original topic, which was teen pregnancy.

True, the conversation has drifted somewhat. But the recent topics are directly related to the "it was better in the good ol' days" argument, which is related to the teen pregnancy topic.

Incidentally, I had a reply to Redpeach that was apparently lost in cyberspace. So it's not just Ms. Lawson who experiences that.

From teen age pregnancy to
a resurction of the crusades. But it is a phenomenon in many of the beehive blogs. Being (usually) a very focused writer, it sours me a bit on blogging.

I think we just received a [deserved] slap on the wrist from Lisa. Or was it a smack to the forehead?

I agree Isabell. When these topics continue to end up as either political scuffles or religious rants, it becomes a little tiresome.

Isabell: You are the one quoting scripture...and then you instruct me that this blog should be kept secular?

Also, you quote scripture on the pitfalls of public prayer? Who is praying? Really, you are so out in left field on this. Just as you are, I simply give my opinion/my take on life, which I draw from experience, like everyone else is doing here.

You criticize me because I connect my spiritual convictions to all facets of my life, as Christ commanded us to do? Think about that? It is superficial not to.

And who says this is a secular blog anyway? Is there a rule that we cannot discuss faith? I think not.

Swift: Everyone desciminates. Everyone holds some sort of bias, racist beliefs. God created all of us with the same wiring, and potential to do all good things, and all bad things.

For you to say that racism against whites, or any other ethnic group does not exist is just plain idiocy, and frankly is racist in itself.

Redpeach, first of all, I don't think it's necessarily true that everyone holds some racist beliefs. I believe that is taught (or not taught) from an early age. Second, blacks have never had the power to oppress whites in this country, but blacks have been harmed in very tangible and substantive ways by white racism. So you're really comparing apples and oranges. I think some whites have been just a little too eager to try to play the "victim" card in recent years.

Now there I go, straying off topic again.